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		<title>Day 246 &#8211; Kashmir day</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today was holidays &#8211; the &#8220;day of solidarity with people of Kashmir (and Jammu)&#8221;. We went out to the city and (like its so often) I had some really weird sights&#8230; Huge banners in Urdu and English have been placed around the city. Talking about heroes, enemies, not much abound friendship, peace or agreement&#8230; Its [...]]]></description>
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<p class="adm" align="justify">Today was <strong>holidays</strong> &#8211; the &#8220;day of solidarity with people of <strong>Kashmir</strong> (and Jammu)&#8221;. We went out to the city and (like its so often) I had some really <strong>weird</strong> sights&#8230;</p>
<p class="adm" align="justify">Huge banners in Urdu and English have been placed around the city. Talking about heroes, enemies, not much abound friendship, peace or agreement&#8230; Its hard to understand such an approach, but let me say a few things for You about this valley&#8230;</p>
<p class="adm" align="center"><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/klepo.pakistan/Day000ToDailyPicObrazokDna/photo#5168449036111347026" target="_blank"><img src="http://lh6.google.com/klepo.pk/R7oFA8UgfVI/AAAAAAAADhg/GklWxxKqw1A/s144/DSCF1063.JPG" alt="" width="144" height="108" /></a></p>
<p class="adm" align="justify">The whole <strong>problem started </strong>with the <strong>Partition</strong> of British Raj India into India and Pakistan in 1947. The history behind this is really interesting, but at this moment all You need to know is that the muslims from India under the leadership of Jinnah have succeeded to persuade the British that its inevitable to create a separate Muslim state. Till today most Indians think it was not needed&#8230;</p>
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But anyways, the British said OK &#8211; each province of India (something like a mini-state) can choose if they want to be part of Pakistan or India. The problem was that in Kashmir the <strong>ruler</strong> was Hindu, but most of <strong>people</strong> were Muslim, so he decided to try to stay <strong>independent</strong>, i.e. not to choose&#8230; This made the muslims from new forming <strong>Pakistan pissed off</strong> (as they thought he could want to join India, who had more resources to offer) and sent army to kick the rulers out &#8211; and seeing that the <strong>rulers</strong> of course announced that Kashmir and Jammu <strong>want</strong> to join <strong>India</strong>&#8230;</p>
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Btw, the <strong>British</strong> would have <strong>never</strong> accepted K+J being independent, they didnt even agree with Bengal=Bangladesh be <strong>separeted</strong> and agreed only on its separation only if it is part of Pakistan!</p>
<p class="adm" align="justify">Now the problem was that the <strong>leadership of India </strong>had an official document stating that K+J want to join India (that document got lost and nobody knows where is it) and thats why India has sent its troops to &#8220;<strong>protect</strong>&#8221; K+J. Only a <strong>UN</strong>-backed negotiation has <strong>stopped</strong> a full-scale <strong>war</strong> and has set a cease-fire line &#8211; which defacto became the border. India at that time <strong>promised</strong> that a census &#8211; <strong>referendum</strong> will be held in K+J where the people will decide whom they want to join&#8230; That census <strong>never happened</strong>&#8230; The leaders of India at that time felt that K+J are their &#8220;homeland&#8221; and thus never intended on giving the region to Pakistan.</p>
<p class="adm" align="justify">Since that  war, <strong>one more war</strong> between Pakistan and India about Kashmir  took place, the result was actually a <strong>return</strong> to original cease-fire line. Part of it were troops trained and financed by Pakistan regimes that were supposed to stir revolution in Kashmir. They failed&#8230; This war made Zulfikar <strong>Bhutto</strong> become a hero, for his fight with words (as foreign minister) <strong>against India</strong>.</p>
<p class="adm" align="justify">As a matter of fact, the area is partly disputed <strong>also</strong> by <strong>China</strong>, but Pakistan to strenghten its position against India made a border agreement with China and thus doesnt have conflicts with it. It should be also said that the <strong>disputed</strong> region is the <strong>size</strong> of <strong>Slovak and Czech republic</strong> combined.</p>
<p class="adm" align="left">To finish up the thing:<br />
- both Indians and Pakistanis <strong>feel</strong> that Kashmir and Jammu are part of <strong>their</strong> country<br />
- in light of the proclamation of Kosovo <strong>independence</strong> its possible to consider Kashmir pronouncing itself independent (as it did in the 60s), but nobody would support that.. as one of my friend ironically noted: &#8220;we want them to be <strong>free</strong>&#8230; <strong>under</strong> Pakistani rule&#8221;. And K+J has <strong>not</strong> enough infrastructure and will among people to become an <strong>independent</strong> state<br />
- historically during <strong>Partition</strong> there was a district of India, that had mostly Hindu inhabitants, but leadership was Muslim, that <strong>proclaimed</strong> itself part of Pakistan (despite being fully surrounded by want-to-be-india districts), Indian troops <strong>kicked</strong> the leadership out&#8230; but it was MUCH smaller than K+J&#8230;but according to a (current) map of Pakistan I have, it is shown as part of Pakistan</p>
<p class="adm" align="center"><img src="http://lh5.google.com/klepo.pk/R7oJVsUgfWI/AAAAAAAADhw/b2pPy8JG6Eg/kashmir%20vs%20czechoslovakia.JPG?imgmax=400" alt="" /></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">picture for comparison&#8230; CR+SR=15 mio people<br />
Pakistan = 180 mio people<br />
disputed region (K+J)  = 10 mio people</p>
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		<title>Days 181-92 &#8211; more India!</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, I admit, I tried to be lazy&#8230; and not write nearly anything about India&#8230; but she doesnt deserve it, India took good care of me, so here we go again: 1. Getting there I was requesting visas for India from Pakistan, which is already a disadvantage, but thanks to a few miracles and Umar [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="adm" align="justify">OK, I admit, I tried to be lazy&#8230; and not write nearly anything about India&#8230; but she doesnt deserve it, India took good care of me, so here we go again:</p>
<p class="adm" align="justify"><strong>1. Getting there</strong></p>
<p class="adm" align="justify">I was requesting visas for India from Pakistan, which is already a disadvantage, but thanks to a few miracles and Umar who did the running around Islamabad offices, me and Jeremy got the visas right on time, actually we had to wait for them in Lahore as they came a day later&#8230; 3.300 rupees <img src='http://www.klepo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  The only good thing was that foreigners dont get visas that say how exactly do You have to cross (train, plane, bus) and where (which exact border place), so we walked to Inda :O</p>
<p class="adm" align="justify">Simply said &#8211; we took a taxi from Lahore, went to Wagha border, went through the Paki customs, walked to India, went through the Indian customs and than got a taxi to Amritsar&#8230; I know it looks pretty simple, and it would normally be, but not if there is a bus with fifty people who comes at the same time as You <img src='http://www.klepo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />    It took us damn 3 hours to get from 1st to 2nd taxi!</p>
<p class="adm" align="center"><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/klepo.pakistan/Days181192INcredibleINdia" target="_blank"><img src="http://lh6.google.com/klepo.pk/R2r4DXCutqI/AAAAAAAACmU/8TI8YsxqA9E/s144/DSCF7459.JPG" alt="" width="144" height="108" /> <img src="http://lh3.google.com/klepo.pk/R2r4anCutrI/AAAAAAAACmc/OQA2sgOqqa0/s144/DSCF7465.JPG" alt="" width="144" height="108" /> <img src="http://lh3.google.com/klepo.pk/R2r4rnCutsI/AAAAAAAACmk/hYceQo1nPcE/s144/DSCF7468.JPG" alt="" width="144" height="108" /></a></p>
<p class="adm" align="left"><strong>2. Amritsar </strong></p>
<p class="adm" align="justify"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amritsar" target="_blank"><strong>Amritsar</strong></a> is the city closest to Lahore, it took half an hour from the border to get there. We had couple of hours before our train left so we thought we have no reason to hurry&#8230; but. First of all we wasted time at the border and than it took us 1,5 hour to get a ticket &#8211; wait in the line! The way how the ticket selling works is the TOP of unefficiency I have ever seen.</p>
<p class="adm" align="justify">Anyways, we went first to the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Temple" target="_blank"><strong>Golden Temple</strong></a>, as that was something Jeremy wanted to see&#8230; and I have to say, I am glad he did. It is a beautiful place, where there is lots to see&#8230; For any tourist it is also very good to know that the temple is open to any visitor, there is a place to sleep for free inside, the temple has a charity kitchen that serves hundreds of poor every day and most of all &#8211; its really beautiful.</p>
<p class="adm" align="center"><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/klepo.pakistan/Days181192INcredibleINdia" target="_blank"><img src="http://lh3.google.com/klepo.pk/R2r6AnCut0I/AAAAAAAACvM/9nGshmgHBZQ/s144/DSCF7527.JPG" alt="" width="108" height="144" /> <img src="http://lh6.google.com/klepo.pk/R2r6aXCut3I/AAAAAAAACvY/Ye3JSLz70a0/s144/DSCF7539.JPG" alt="" width="108" height="144" /> <img src="http://lh6.google.com/klepo.pk/R2r6jXCut4I/AAAAAAAACvc/ScncE7VRt-o/s144/DSCF7544.JPG" alt="" width="108" height="144" /></a></p>
<p class="adm" align="left"><strong>3. Train ride </strong></p>
<p class="adm" align="left">Was OK. If I say that it took 28 hours, I guess some of You will be scared, well, it was sometimes boring, but it was pretty OK and comfortable.</p>
<p class="adm" align="left">We spent couple of hours talking to a random indian guy &#8211; about everything: partition of India and PK, differences, history and even Kashmir. Result (can not say what is true and what not):<br />
- people of both countries like each other, its the governments that do all the conflicts<br />
- the Pakistani security services actually attacks India<br />
- there is no way how India or Pakistan can accept that Kashmir is not theirs</p>
<p class="adm" align="left"><strong>4. Jamshedpur</strong></p>
<p class="adm" align="justify">Would be a small and unimportant town, if TATA Steel was not founded here &#8211; this is where the TATA empire has started. Btw, TATA is launching the &#8220;<a href="http://www.brandsynario.com/NewsDetails.asp?NewsID=1985" target="_blank"><strong>Worlds cheapest car</strong></a>&#8221; for only 2.500 USD <img src='http://www.klepo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8230; Apart from that the town is actually owned by TATA and has to be said, thats why its also called the cleanes town of India (eventhough by European standards it still has a long way to go). Generally its just an industrial town with not much to see except a Culture centre (founded by TATA) and schools were poor people learn handycrafts (founded by TATA), TATAs trainign centre (where the opening ceremony was) and TATA Steels factory (which we have not seen).</p>
<p class="adm" align="justify">During the conference we had an Indian night, during which there was a whole program of different kinds of Indian music and dances, really nice <img src='http://www.klepo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p class="adm" align="center"><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/klepo.pakistan/Days181192INcredibleINdia" target="_blank"><img src="http://lh5.google.com/klepo.pk/R2r7eHCut-I/AAAAAAAACo8/D6O7_whk2kc/s144/DSCF7605.JPG" alt="" width="144" height="108" /> <img src="http://lh6.google.com/klepo.pk/R2r7KXCut9I/AAAAAAAACvo/6KyrYVwdWUk/s144/DSCF7602.JPG" alt="" width="108" height="144" /> <img src="http://lh3.google.com/klepo.pk/R2r7xnCuuAI/AAAAAAAACvs/vJRAFPV640k/s144/DSCF7622.JPG" alt="" width="108" height="144" /> <img src="http://lh3.google.com/klepo.pk/R2r7onCut_I/AAAAAAAACpE/UXyXPFVCmHQ/s144/DSCF7614.JPG" alt="" width="144" height="108" /></a></p>
<p class="adm" align="justify"><strong>5. Kolkata</strong></p>
<p class="adm" align="justify">Where we stayed in a cheap (but really bad) hotel, as we had couple of days left before we had to go back to Pakistan. We saw some nice places like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Memorial" target="_blank"><strong>Victorias Memorial</strong></a> (but didnt go in, too expensive for foreigners) and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belur_Math" target="_blank"><strong>Belur Math</strong></a> (headquarter of Ramakrishnas). As Kolkata experienced some riots lately (conflict between oposition and government) some places have been closed&#8230;</p>
<p class="adm" align="justify">BUT what was the most important for us was the FOOD and TEA. Amazing <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lassi" target="_blank"><strong>lassi, </strong></a>potato chat, spicy tea and other random foods, that was the best part of the Kolkata stay <img src='http://www.klepo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p class="adm" align="center"><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/klepo.pakistan/Days181192INcredibleINdia" target="_blank"><img src="http://lh3.google.com/klepo.pk/R2r_InCuuRI/AAAAAAAACrc/BJlIhQ3hRn0/s144/DSCF7779.JPG" alt="" width="144" height="108" /> <img src="http://lh4.google.com/klepo.pk/R2sAZnCuuZI/AAAAAAAACsc/NUiNkXtybyc/s144/DSCF7820.JPG" alt="" width="144" height="108" /> <img src="http://lh5.google.com/klepo.pk/R2r-hHCuuMI/AAAAAAAACqw/_a3knzc5s4U/s144/DSCF7753.JPG" alt="" width="144" height="108" /> </a></p>
<p class="adm" align="justify"><strong>6. Way back to Lahore </strong></p>
<p class="adm" align="justify">Took two nights and one day <img src='http://www.klepo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Not kidding, but it went fast&#8230; Got a few intesting sights, like a cow looking into our compartment, saw the holy river Ganga, and sunrise over the fields. Stopped again for a short time in Amritsar (we came before the border opened) and than walked back to Pakistan&#8230; The End <img src='http://www.klepo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p class="adm" align="center"><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/klepo.pakistan/Days181192INcredibleINdia" target="_blank"><img src="http://lh4.google.com/klepo.pk/R2sBFnCuueI/AAAAAAAACtE/xF9FZES1qYA/s144/DSCF7858.JPG" alt="" width="144" height="108" /> <img src="http://lh5.google.com/klepo.pk/R2sBQ3CuugI/AAAAAAAACtU/roJa_zPxNNA/s144/DSCF7867.JPG" alt="" width="144" height="108" /> <img src="http://lh6.google.com/klepo.pk/R2sCaHCuunI/AAAAAAAACuQ/YYf3hT995EA/s144/DSCF7986.JPG" alt="" width="144" height="108" /></a></p>
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		<title>Day 181-92 &#8211; Dream of every (?) traveler&#8230;.INDIA</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[How to start? There is a very frequent saying that &#8220;You can only love or hate India, there is nothing in the middle&#8220;&#8230; Well, I am a proof that there is I have spent in India more than a week, took a train across it &#8211; from Amritsar to Kolkata &#8211; and had a day [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="adm" align="justify"><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/klepo.pakistan/Days181192INcredibleINdia#"><img class="alignleft" title="Me entering India" src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/klepo.pakistan/R2r4rnCutsI/AAAAAAAACmk/mOhS_xTYkB8/s220/DSCF7468.JPG" alt="" width="220" height="165" /></a>How to start? There is a very frequent saying that &#8220;<em>You can only love or hate India, there is nothing in the middle</em>&#8220;&#8230; Well, I am a proof that there is <img src='http://www.klepo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p class="adm" align="justify">I have spent in <strong>India</strong> more than a <strong>week</strong>, took a train <strong>across</strong> it &#8211; from Amritsar to Kolkata &#8211; and had a day in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amritsar" target="_blank"><strong>Amritsar</strong></a> &#8211; a city  with a beautiful temple worth hours of walking&#8230;</p>
<p class="adm" align="left">&#8230;but after all I have to say that I have achieved only <strong>five special things</strong>:<br />
- got absolutely <strong>broke</strong>,<br />
- met some really <strong>nice people</strong> at the conference (like You always do),<br />
- got a very much deserved <strong>faci experience</strong>,<br />
- made a tick on the field of &#8220;<strong>been to India</strong>&#8221; that all wanna-be-travelers have,<br />
- had some really good street <strong>food and tea</strong>&#8230;</p>
<p class="adm" align="left"><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/klepo.pakistan/Days181192INcredibleINdia#"><img class="alignright" title="amritsar, india" src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/klepo.pakistan/R2r6AnCut0I/AAAAAAAACvM/CbOHFNNip_U/s220/DSCF7527.JPG" alt="" width="165" height="220" /></a>I knew that the <strong>difference</strong> between <strong>Pakistan</strong> and <strong>India</strong> is not too big, but was suprised            with <strong>lack</strong> of a feeling of something new and special.</p>
<p class="adm" align="left">I got enough, but <strong>looking back</strong>, I think, when I come to <strong>this region</strong> of world, I will head for <strong>Pakistan</strong> &#8211; for me its <strong>more</strong> interesting, <strong>more</strong> surprising, <strong>nobody</strong> has been there and most of all &#8211; ITS MY <strong>HOME</strong>!</p>
<p class="adm" align="left">Sorry India You were nice, but my heart            belongs to Your Brother <img src='http://www.klepo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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